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Kristin Harrison
Oct 8, 2026
For years, the goal was simple: get found online, rank in the search engines, earn the click, and prove the ROI. AI tools changed that path. "This is the future," said Geear CEO Chris Leone. "We're not going back to the old way." But as Chris was quick to add, that doesn't mean SEO is less important. It plays a critical role in showing up in LLMs.
That was the core message of Geear's recent webinar on generative engine optimization (GEO) for credit unions. Kristin Harrison, Geear's Director of Business Development, moderated the conversation with Chris Leone, Geear's CEO, and Nick D'Amato, who leads SEO and GEO work on Geear's inbound team.
This article covers the main points from the session.
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The short:
Chris has been in digital marketing for almost exactly 20 years, starting with SEO. What stands out to is the speed of adoption of these AI tools. Social media was around for years before it became a serious marketing channel. AI took less than half that time to make a meaningful impact.
Geear's own research points in the same direction. In a survey of 1,000 consumers, nearly 10% turned to an LLM as their first step when looking for a financial institution. Read more in How Often Do People Use AI to Find a Bank or Credit Union?
About half of Google searches now end without a click to another website. Ten years ago, Google's job was to send you somewhere else. Today, featured answers and AI Overviews let people finish their research on the results page.
"It's not that demand has gone down," Chris said. "It's just the paths that they're taking." What used to be a straight line (I see this, I click this, I convert) is now what he called "a big spaghetti mess." A member might see your name in ChatGPT, search for you on Google later, and apply on your site, with no clean trail connecting the steps.
SEO optimizes for traditional search rankings. AEO, AIO, and GEO all describe optimizing for AI-generated answers, and the terms are largely interchangeable.
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Term |
Stands for |
What it optimizes for |
|---|---|---|
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SEO |
Search engine optimization |
Rankings in Google and Bing search results |
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AEO |
Answer engine optimization |
AI answers, plus Google features like featured snippets and People Also Ask |
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AIO |
AI optimization |
AI-generated answers in general |
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GEO |
Generative engine optimization |
Mentions and citations in LLMs like ChatGPT and Gemini |
As Nick D'Amato explained, the one nuance is that AEO also covers answer features inside Google's results page that don't come from an LLM. Otherwise, all three newer terms mean the same thing. Geear uses GEO for consistency. For more definitions, see Geear's GEO/AEO Glossary for Credit Unions.
ChatGPT and Gemini matter most for credit unions, with Claude as a third. Geear calls these three "the big three."
Being mentioned or cited on any of them is valuable. If you need to narrow your focus, Chris recommends tracking ChatGPT and Gemini first. His test for when a tool has gone mainstream: when his mom uses ChatGPT to plan a trip to Italy.
Both are tools people use to search, but the way they function is fundamentally different. Search engines are deterministic. LLMs are probabilistic.
When an LLM isn't confident in its answer, it searches Google or Bing for more sources. LLMs use two types of bots to do this. A training bot gathers information into the model's training data over time. A search bot looks things up live when a question needs current information.
This is why SEO still matters for AI visibility. Chris noted that free ChatGPT users trigger web searches more often than paid users, whose answers lean more on training data. If your credit union is invisible in search results, it is less likely to show up in ChatGPT's answers to free users.
Query fan-out is how an LLM breaks one question into several smaller searches, then combines the results into a single answer. A question might become five or ten sub-searches.
Chris demonstrated this live in ChatGPT using a query fan-out tool.
Prompt 1: "What should someone know as a first-time buyer getting a mortgage?"
ChatGPT answered from its training data. It cited no websites and ran no fan-out searches, because the question was general enough to answer on its own.
Prompt 2: A follow-up asking what a first-time buyer in Memphis, Tennessee should know about using a credit union for a mortgage, and which credit unions to consider.
This time ChatGPT moved from "thinking" to "searching." It split the question into four searches:
The answer included 27 citations. The fan-out tool also showed pages ChatGPT reviewed but didn't cite, which can reveal near misses.

Why this matters: Three of the four searches named specific credit unions before ChatGPT looked anything up. The model already associated those brands with Memphis and mortgages. To show up, you need to know how prompts about your products fan out, then make sure your pages answer those sub-questions.
"This is not about ranking position anymore," Chris said. The new game is to achieve what Geear calls a consensus brand: one of the chosen ones an LLM shows for a given topic.
Geear's tracking data shows two patterns:
The Memphis demo shows why. ChatGPT went straight to three credit unions it already linked to the topic, then visited their websites for current details like rates. It doesn't know your rates changed last night, so it goes to your website as the source of truth.
You can check whether you are a consensus brand in two ways: track how often you are mentioned and cited (covered below), or run your key prompts through a query fan-out tool to see if your name appears in the searches themselves.
Credit unions show up most often when a prompt includes a location, and for checking accounts and auto loans. They show up least often for mortgages.
Geear tracks at least 30 prompts per credit union across more than a dozen credit union clients. The findings below come from ChatGPT responses across that data.
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How the prompt is phrased |
How often a credit union is cited |
|---|---|
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Mentions credit unions and a city or town |
Nearly 100% |
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Mentions credit unions and a region or state |
Nearly 100% |
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Mentions credit unions, no location |
85% |
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No mention of credit unions, names a city or town |
72% |
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No mention of credit unions, names a larger region |
Somewhat lower than 72% |

When a prompt doesn't mention credit unions at all, a credit union still appears in about 9 in 10 answers about checking accounts or auto loans. For mortgages and home buying, it's about half. Chris attributed the gap to heavier national competition in mortgages.

Where to start: Optimize for checking, auto loans, and local relevance first. These are the areas where ChatGPT already associates credit unions with the answer.
Product pages are among the most often cited pages for credit unions in Geear's data. They are also your best chance to teach LLMs what makes your credit union different.
Nick's recommendations for credit union product pages:
Geear's research also found that LLMs use meta descriptions to decide whether to fetch a page, even though search engines stopped relying on them years ago. More tactics are in How Credit Unions Can Improve Their Visibility in AI LLMs.
Every three to four months for your most important pages. LLMs heavily favor recently created or updated content.
In one report Geear reviewed, 75% of pages cited by LLMs had been updated within the past year, and 88% within the past two years. "Think about that for a second," Nick said. "How many pages have we updated in the last year?"
Chris's recommendation: identify your most competitive pages for AI visibility and put them on a recurring review cycle. Each time, ask how the page could be better, then make the change.
Yes. "PR is back again," as Chris put it. Nick explained that LLMs function a lot like people. They answer from what they already know, check the brand's website, then look for reviews, testimonials, and other people talking about the brand to corroborate it.
Chris named two pillars of GEO for credit unions:
Sometimes an LLM recommends a credit union but cites a review site or social profile instead of the credit union's website. Because credit unions operate in a regulated space, LLMs tend to treat the credit union's own website as the source of truth. That gives credit unions more control than industries like software, which depend heavily on third-party review sites.
Tracking is becoming harder, and it requires a mindset shift in how we report the impact of all digital activity, not just LLMs. Measuring AI impact through AI referral traffic alone doesn't work. That data is incomplete, and it doesn't reflect how people use these tools.
Two problems with relying on referral reports in Google Analytics:
When Geear analyzed 50 credit union websites, ChatGPT accounted for only about 0.1% of combined search and LLM traffic. That number reflects how hard AI influence is to see, not how much it matters. See How Much Traffic Is ChatGPT Sending to Credit Union Websites?
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Metric |
Where to find it |
What it tells you |
|---|---|---|
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Direct traffic |
Google Analytics |
Rising direct traffic often offsets falling organic traffic as AI-influenced visitors arrive unlabeled |
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Branded search impressions |
Google Search Console |
More people searching your name after seeing it in AI answers |
|
Google Business Profile activity |
Google Business Profile |
Calls, direction requests, and other local actions |
|
Owned outcomes |
Your core, LOS, or CRM |
Applications started and submitted, funded loans, new members and accounts |
Geear has seen clients where organic traffic dropped and direct traffic rose by about the same amount. The demand was still there. It just arrived through a different door.
This is also a mindset shift. Single-channel cost per acquisition will look worse than it did a year or two ago, not because the work stopped working, but because the member journey no longer runs in a straight line.
Use an AI visibility tool that runs your chosen prompts through ChatGPT, Gemini, and other LLMs on a regular schedule. Geear uses Gumshoe and HubSpot's AEO tool.
These tools report two key metrics:
They also show whether competitors were mentioned or cited, and the full text of each response.

The same prompt returns a different answer each time, and a different answer for each person. Tracking one prompt at a time leads to frustration. Grouping prompts reveals trends.
For example, if you track 30 mortgage prompts and 30 certificate prompts, you might find you appear 18 to 20 times for mortgages but only 4 or 5 times for certificates. That tells you where you're already trusted and where your content needs work.


LLMs personalize answers by the user's location, but tracking tools don't search from your market. Add your city and state to each prompt to see an accurate picture of your local visibility.
One caution from Chris: these tools also give AI-generated recommendations. Take them with a grain of salt, since GEO involves a lot of nuance. For a comparison of options, see Geear's guide to the most effective GEO tools for credit unions.
Kristin closed the session with four actions credit union marketers can start now.

GEO (generative engine optimization) for credit unions is the practice of improving how often a credit union is mentioned or cited in AI answers from tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Google AI Overviews. It builds on SEO with a focus on brand association, fresh content, and local reputation.
Yes. LLMs search Google and Bing when they need current information, especially for free ChatGPT users. Strong search visibility makes AI visibility more likely.
In Geear's tracking data, credit unions appear in about 9 in 10 ChatGPT answers about checking accounts and auto loans, even when the prompt doesn't mention credit unions. For mortgages, they appear about half the time.
A mention means the AI answer names your credit union. A citation means the answer links to a page on your website.
Only partially. Many visits from AI tools are recorded as direct traffic, and many people search your brand later instead of clicking. Direct traffic and branded search impressions are better signals.
Geear uses Gumshoe and HubSpot's AEO tool. If you already use HubSpot, start there.
Geear is already doing this work for credit union clients, tracking dozens of prompts per credit union and turning the results into product page updates, local reputation work, and clearer reporting. The data in this post comes from that work.
Want a baseline? Request a free GEO audit to see how your credit union shows up in AI search today.

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